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It apears that the MI houndsmen group has taken money from animal rights groups to stop trapping completely in MI.

I have not seen this documented yet.

What has been documented, is that the same group has publicly announced that it will do everything in it's power and resourses to kill trapping in that state, starting with snares.

Apparently a few people have had dogs caught on private property where there were snares and the trappers had permission.
Now, the dogs can't read the tresspass signs, but the hunters can and apparently have rtun the dogs from one property, to the next, and then the next.

Is this info I have recieved true, causing the entire trapping population of the country to declare war on freecasting in MI?

Or is it 1/2 or just not true?

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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Central Michigan
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Foxtail,

This is totally incorrect.

"What has been documented, is that the same group has publicly announced that it will do everything in it's power and resourses to kill trapping in that state, starting with snares."

This statement has not been documented. In my personal opinion, I will say this, the houndsmen in this state reacted badly twice last year, but the houndsmen have never stated they wanted to eliminate trapping or snaring. Fact of the matter is houndsmen supported snaring allowing the trappers in this state to snare for the first time in many decades.

I think maybe you should look into the source of the recent proposals made by the DNR. They were made in response to the Fox/Coyote Trapping Survey that trappers responded too and recent studies. Both of which, the hound hunters have no control over.

Coming onto a public forum and maliciously stating incorrect facts benefits no one.

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Larry Atherton

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Registered: Apr 2004
Location: Southwest Michigan
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Yes, your misinformed. Taking money from the anti's???? I cannot imagine any sportsman group in MI doing so and I know of no hound group or anyone associated with one doing so. If you have facts to the contrary please post it here.

And could you tell me where the public announcement is to stop trapping in MI? I have not seen it or heard of it. I know of no hound group that is advocating such. IF you do please share it.

Any attempts to threaten free casting or right to retrieve in Michigan would be met with a vigorous defense.

Erick Fairchild
Director, Michigan State United Coon Hunters Association.

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Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Nebraska
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You guys need to watch Foxtail...he's trying to get ammo against you.....watch what you say, and don't let him fool you...

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No malice at all, that is why I asked and came right to the place where those who would know are likely to be.

Hopefully in time, I can track down where this info was rooted, right now there seems to be disagreement amongst those who heard it who and where it came from.

2 city boys I have heard.

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Nope, Southfork, actually I would rather see this proven to be false than have a fight.
I just don't have it in me to have a pissin match right now.

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Registered: Jun 2003
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I remember this guy foxtail and some of the statements he posted on here. I thought Todd K had banned him when he used profanity talking about male private part sizes of hunters.

here is one of his asinine statements:

quote:As for 220s killing dogs, if houndsmen took the proper precautions, you would not loose dogs. If you know there are traps in the area, don't send your 25,000 dollar mongrel in there.
If you are by rivers, you are trying to kill your dog anyway.
If your dogs came onto my land and got caught, that would be your fault. Plus if you were to take the coon after the dogs entered my land, you would be a poacher.
Bottom line is that you hardly ever hear trappers spewing slanderous lies about houndsmen, but we hear outlandous bs stories that are not even possible all of the time.

Take heart all of you who help spread the AR propaganda about us, if we go, you are the next ones they are going after. I have seen their list of priorities. YOU ARE NEXT. Then comes bowhunters.
If we go, you people are not going to last long as we trappers are YOUR first line of defense against them.

For you people to state your outlandish claims drives a nail in YOUR coffin as well.

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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Central Michigan
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Foxtail,

There is one houndsmen from the UP that has vowed to eliminate snares. The bad part of that is his hounds were killed in illegally set snares. We can not hold law abiding individuals responsible for some actions of a few who violate.

I truly believe a big part of the new regulations are due in part to how few individuals used available information from the DNR. Only 18% of the trappers reported obtaining information on snaring from the DNR. Other sources cited were magazines, books, friends, conventions, and videos. This suggest to me that some individuals were not getting the best information as to the correct procedures for 2004 rules and regulations. There were even some outdoor vendors inside of Michigan that were selling illegally equipped snares.

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Larry Atherton

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That is quite possible if I understand you correctly.

I also understand that in MI, they can only be set on private property just like in MN in the southern part of the state. That is reasonable.

If the snare was on public land, then I can't think of a single trapper who would not say he is wrong.

My concern is that this club supposedly took money from the HSUS for the purpose of getting rid of trapping.

I can't recall the name of the group. I will look for it again and get back in a minute or 5.

And BTW, contrary to popular belief, I am not trolling.
If I was to do that, I certainly would not have used this name, I could have easily reregistered with a different name and IP.
But I am here under my famous handle. (infamous maybe)

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The Michigan Hunting Dog Federation

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Registered: Mar 2004
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that is the same foxtail buckshot i no who he is and yes we have battled beforsa about hounds and traps

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Jesse Nappin TREEDOGG MAFIA

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Of course I am the same one, never tried to hide it.

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Registered: Apr 2004
Location: Southwest Michigan
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I can assure you the MHDF has taken no money from HSUS or would never take any money from HSUS. It is also not MHDF policy for the out right ban of snaring in Michigan.

You will find contact information for the Mcihigan Hunting Dog Federation on their website www.michiganhuntingdogs.com

If you wish to have first hand information I would suggest you contact one of the board of directors. You will find their names and phone numbers listed.

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